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BIR MAN
Starting Member
USA
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 Posted - 03/26/2008 : 19:45:39
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Curious on thoughts from you folks for 09:
How many brackets a year? single/double race?
One analogy:
If we had 4 singles and 3 doubles, but year end points are the best 8 of 10 with ties broke by the bottom 2. I understand it is hard to make every race and this would help for some. Just a thought.
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steveroehrs
New Member
USA
59 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 20:57:23
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| It's hard to recommend anything until I see how the double event works. Here's another thought for the single event weekend if there are no plans to run a gamblers race on Saturday. How about having the super classes, stock super stock, license/exhibition, and juniors have a time trial on Saturday and complete eliminations. On Sunday run a time trial for the bracket cars and run them. This would give the super classes and S/SS cars a great opportunity to bracket race with the bracket cars increasing the car count for the brackets. If things get delayed on Saturday you could finish them up in the later rounds on Sunday. If Saturday washes out, run everything on Sunday without a time trial. Test and tune on Friday. Those that wish to spend the whole weekend can do so. Those that have a busy schedule can come in the morning or their race and leave the same day when they are eliminated. You could invert the days if Grove creek or the Rock is running on Sunday so you wouldn't have to go head to head with them. If the Grove runs on Saturday, schedule the bracket day for Sunday. What does everyone think? Steve Roehrs |
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Travis Sorokie
Junior Member
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 23:09:16
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There should be one Bracket event per month IMO...starting in April through September. With those six weekends, I would have 4 (2-day events) and 2 single day events.Then count 8 of 10---you can eliminate ties pretty much but changing up the Rd pts per event (ie--race #1 is 101 pts per/rd, race #2 is 103 pts per/rd).
With the Test-n-Tune on Friday's...no reason (minus weather or severe breakage) we can't run a Gambler's race. If you Gamble---you get 1 time trial per class you have entered (box, no box). Start the gamblers AFTER the 2nd Rd of regular time trials. Run a couple quick Rds of the Gambler's.....then run a 1 or none Time Trial session.......and then run the remaining Gambler's Round Robin.
Steve---your close on your idea about the "Super" classes, but wouldn't it make more sense to run 1 Rd of the Larger Bracket Classes on Saturday? The "Super" cars don't really take up that much time...and the one's who would run Brackets, pretty much already do.
See ya in Staging!!! |
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Lenny5160
Junior Member
USA
278 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 10:03:20
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I have long been an advocate of 2-day races at BIR. Back when the Saturday gamblers races were pretty much guaranteed, that was OK too.
The problem now is, there are just too many classes. On one hand, the track ends up with more entries because everyone enters every class they possibly can. On the other hand, people that are unfamiliar with the track will be very hesitant to fork over $160 based on a single time trial for the weekend.
I have yet to see another track that plans ahead of time to run a race day without a time run. On the few occasions that I have raced without a time run at another track, it was forced by weather AND buybacks were available for first-round losers.
Have you ever thought about combining all of the super-classes into one bigger class, a la the Renova Energy Shootout series? Tri-State Raceway has done that and calls it Super-Cross. Might be a good compromise to save a little time and bump the payout for those racers.
Tony Leonard |
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BIR MAN
Starting Member
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 13:58:48
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Thanks, good info and I have a lot to learn yet. The key to all our races is get cars down track, get cars down track. The second the track clears the next stages, as soon as they launch, start the next burnout. We need to have a drivers meeting regularly and remind people to not putt through the shut down area, (bracket 1 especially.) Call the classes to staging and get it moving. The boat waits for no one!
Some of you have seen tracks that are efficient, whats the best timing of burnout, stage, and clear track safely?
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Travis Sorokie
Junior Member
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 14:12:15
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Jed---
At most NHRA Divisional/National events, and well run Bracket events the next pair starts there burnout when the cars ahead of them are at the 1/8mi mark. You need to be pre-staged/staged when the lead pair is turning off (safety reasons there).
IF you have to STOP for an oil down, timing error or whatever---it is usually "courtesy" to allow that pair to cool down, reset tire pressure, etc. and run towards the end (or when they are ready).
A lot of drivers 'click' their cars at the stripe---meaning they are shut off and coasting. I for one don't think the "top end" of the track leads to any major delays---unless your dealing with Jr. Dragsters, which run 1/8mile only---and need to make it WAY DOWN to the 1st turn off.
See ya in Staging!!! |
Edited by - Travis Sorokie on 03/27/2008 14:19:00 |
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Lenny5160
Junior Member
USA
278 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 16:16:51
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Once the previous pair clears the starting line beams, the burnout guy should have his hands spinning unless they need to mop something up on the starting line. Do it as quickly as possible, and if the cars are staging before the top end is clear the starter will need to move forward and hold them up for a couple seconds. By the time both cars are getting serious about staging, enough time has usually passed that the previous pair is done and off the track.
Eliminate downtime between classes. Why can't the first pair of Bracket 2 be in the burnout box when the last pair of Bracket 1 is staged? (Just an example, I don't know BIR's run order)
Again I am very impressed with your willingness to listen to racers, and on the internet no less! A huge step forward for the track, in my opinion.
Tony Leonard |
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steve stockton
New Member
USA
58 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 16:53:16
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| I'm a believer in the fact that you don't have to have the last pair of cars off the track before the next pair are staged. I don't know if insurance reasons say otherwise? If a car makes it past the finish line enough to let of the gas and they're going straight, there is almost no chance there is going to be a motor problem, thus the only possible problem would be the car is unable to stop. If that is the case it's not going to be in the way of the next pair! especially at brainerd. |
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FastnFurious
Junior Member
130 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2008 : 17:17:10
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At BIR I'm more concerned about the idle time that seems to occur between classes than I am between pairs.
Joe Schmall |
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4-door Chevelle
Administrator
USA
120 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2008 : 13:40:18
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That is a lot of races, not sure where you are going to squeeze them in. My son and I have been to every bracket race at BIR starting in 2002. Part of winning in the points race is to show up but if you actually have 10 races in 2009 and you use the best 8 that will free me up to miss a race or two if I want or need to. At the same time I don't like the idea because I think the faithful should be rewarded (plus you make more money).
On the 2 race weekends you really need to allow a time trial on Sunday for those that maybe only make it up for that days race. Saturday is a race day and you allow 1 time trial which is really no different than Sunday. Of course with that in mind then you would always need to allow 1 time trial on race day whichever day it falls.
I agree that it seems like a lot of time is lost between classes.
I don't have a comment on Steve's suggestion or the comments that follow though it seems good.
Thanks for a great first annual racers meeting Jed and your continued interest in us racers!!!
Darren & Nick
Darren
1972 Chevelle
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BIR MAN
Starting Member
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2008 : 14:47:53
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We are hoping for 1 TT each double race day but Sundays TT is based on if Saturdays race is finished or not. If this issue arises how many oppose just TT for those who did not race Saturday. Another thought is Juniors have the standard single race format even on double weekends. We are planning for juniors to try and get the TT and first couple of rounds done in the AM before the start of day and finish throughout the day thereafter.
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Edited by - BIR MAN on 04/19/2008 14:55:44 |
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BIR MAN
Starting Member
USA
24 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2008 : 14:54:53
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The reward for those who race the whole series is the chance for payout, and the chance to keep bettering their record when the worst race finishes are dropped from year end points - for everyone. Ponder this: 2 double races (if they work this year) 6 singles - 3 all TT on saturday and 3 with 1 TT and gamblers races. In theory 5 weekends could win the series, Ties however would move down the list dropped races. this would allow you to customize your schedule and miss a race for whatever reason.
Just a thought. |
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